From lars at umich.edu  Sun Dec 13 11:20:52 2009
From: lars at umich.edu (Lars Nooden)
Date: Sun Dec 13 11:34:00 2009
Subject: [odf-discuss] ODF tools and US administration's Open Government
Message-ID: <4B251464.3030103@umich.edu>

There's some movement now on the Whitehouse's initiative to publish
public records and public data:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/12/white-house-orders-agencies-to-open-up/

The tools started by the Fellowship are valuable for meeting the
administrations goals and of great use in the initiative.  Should we
write an open letter or try contacting the Open Government initiative or
the Sunlight Foundation directly?

/Lars
From peter.harlow at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 12:40:31 2009
From: peter.harlow at gmail.com (Pete Harlow)
Date: Thu Dec 17 12:46:25 2009
Subject: [odf-discuss] The icons
Message-ID: <1ce131ee0912170940h4a8c5880l8d14df769b1ee3e4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The fine people over at OOo have decided it is better to reference the ODF
format with a textual <ODF> rather than use an icon - see:

http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=4155

so I am guessing 'our' icon has probably gone as far as it is going to go.

So I'll probably be removing them from my server in due course to free up
some room.

If you want 'em grab 'em while you can or use the Wayback Machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071030021732/http://www.catnip.co.uk/opendocument/icons/

(although some are missing).

Best Regards,

-- 
Peter Harlow

Catnip Corner - Photography by Peter Harlow
http://www.catnip.co.uk/
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From lars at umich.edu  Fri Dec 18 07:09:06 2009
From: lars at umich.edu (Lars Nooden)
Date: Fri Dec 18 07:15:26 2009
Subject: [odf-discuss] The icons
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Pete Harlow wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The fine people over at OOo have decided it is better to reference the ODF
> format with a textual <ODF> rather than use an icon - see:
> 
> http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=4155

That IMHO is a mistake, if for no other reason than ODF is a global
format and several billion people do not use roman letters.  Don't let a
small group of bad apples spoil the batch.

/Lars
From mfioretti at nexaima.net  Thu Dec 31 05:24:55 2009
From: mfioretti at nexaima.net (M. Fioretti)
Date: Thu Dec 31 05:53:32 2009
Subject: [odf-discuss] ODF tools and US administration's Open Government
In-Reply-To: <4B251464.3030103@umich.edu>
References: <4B251464.3030103@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <20091231102455.GE4170@nexaima.net>

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 18:20:52 PM +0200, Lars Nooden wrote:

> There's some movement now on the Whitehouse's initiative to publish
> public records and public data:
> 
> http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/12/white-house-orders-agencies-to-open-up/
>
> The tools started by the Fellowship are valuable for meeting the
> administrations goals and of great use in the initiative.  Should we
> write an open letter or try contacting the Open Government
> initiative or the Sunlight Foundation directly?

Sorry Lars, missed this in a mountain of other email I am game for
contacting this but not immediately. Besides the usual things I'm also
teaching through all January (**). If this can wait till February,
let's talk about it in a few weeks. On a related note...

(warning, shameless plug ahead even if not for profit)

...recommending really open standards like ODF is what I've explicitly
recommended in my chapter of this book:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804367/

which is targeting also the very people you mention, so let's hope at
least one of them does read the book :-)

      happy 2010 everybody,

      	    Marco

(**) and I also teach, among other things, to use and love ODF! see
http://stop.zona-m.net/node/20 and please let me know off list if you
know of similar courses.
-- 
Risks for Italian Public Education in Government/Microsoft deal:
http://stop.zona-m.net/node/65
From marbux at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 06:51:43 2009
From: marbux at gmail.com (marbux)
Date: Thu Dec 31 07:14:01 2009
Subject: [odf-discuss] ODF tools and US administration's Open Government
In-Reply-To: <20091231102455.GE4170@nexaima.net>
References: <4B251464.3030103@umich.edu> <20091231102455.GE4170@nexaima.net>
Message-ID: <2c60d980912310351j17873609pf8adc10f6ae9d99a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:24 AM, M. Fioretti <mfioretti@nexaima.net> wrote:

> ...recommending really open standards like ODF is what I've explicitly
> recommended in my chapter of this book:

How specifications like ODF and OOXML that do not "clearly and
unambiguously specify the conformity requirements that are essential
to achieve the interoperability" can be described either as "open" or
as a "standard" is beyond me. Cf., ISO/IEC JTC 1 Directives Annex I,
<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2489/186491/186605/AnnexI.html>.
Prepending "really" to "open standard" in context is simply
preposterous.

Time for a reality check, IMHO.

Best regards,

Paul E. Merrell, J.D. (Marbux)



-- 
Universal Interoperability Council
<http:www.universal-interop-council.org>
From lars at umich.edu  Thu Dec 31 07:29:58 2009
From: lars at umich.edu (Lars Nooden)
Date: Thu Dec 31 07:30:09 2009
Subject: [odf-discuss] ODF tools and US administration's Open Government
In-Reply-To: <20091231102455.GE4170@nexaima.net>
References: <4B251464.3030103@umich.edu> <20091231102455.GE4170@nexaima.net>
Message-ID: <4B3C9946.2030807@umich.edu>

M. Fioretti wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 18:20:52 PM +0200, Lars Nooden wrote:
> 
>> There's some movement now on the Whitehouse's initiative to publish
>> public records and public data:
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/12/white-house-orders-agencies-to-open-up/
>>
>> The tools started by the Fellowship are valuable for meeting the
>> administrations goals and of great use in the initiative.  Should we
>> write an open letter or try contacting the Open Government
>> initiative or the Sunlight Foundation directly?
> 
> Sorry Lars, missed this in a mountain of other email I am game for
> contacting this but not immediately.

I think we all are in a similar boat.  I am sure that there are
important things I have forgotten in the holiday chaos and travels.

> Besides the usual things I'm also
> teaching through all January (**). 

Excellent.

> If this can wait till February,
> let's talk about it in a few weeks. On a related note...

Probably can.  IF it is an important topic, however, the shills will
revv up and I'd prefer not to have to spend time disciplining them.

> (warning, shameless plug ahead even if not for profit)
> 
> ...recommending really open standards like ODF is what I've explicitly
> recommended in my chapter of this book:
> http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596804367/
> 
> which is targeting also the very people you mention, so let's hope at
> least one of them does read the book :-)

Just so it gets to the list more easily:

	Open Government Collaboration, Transparency,
	and Participation in Practice
	By Daniel Lathrop and Laurel Ruma
	O'Reilly Media
	January 2010 (est.) 378 pages (est.)

I expect we'll hear from them after New Years (1 jan not feb 14)

/Lars