[odf-discuss] A bit more detailed explanation of the AFNORposition

[marbux]

On 9/25/07, Andreas J. Guelzow <aguelzow at pyrshep.ca> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2007-25-09 at 17:36 -0700, marbux wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 9/25/07, Jean Hollis Weber <jeanweber at gmail.com> wrote:
> >         marbux wrote:
> >         > I said it before and I'll say it again, Daniel. You're a
> >         troll. You have
> >         > nothing but ad hominem attacks and other logical fallacies
> >         in your gun.
> >         > Your latest post is just further proof.
> >
> >         You're no better. Indeed, marbux, you sound to me a *lot* more
> >         like a troll than Daniel or the others do.
> >
> >         Take it offline, please, all of you. Thank you.
> >
> > Sorry, Jean. I'll finish my conversation where I was attacked. And if
> > you think I'm a troll, then you do not understand the technical
> > issues.
>
> This has really nothing to do with technical issues (any more). As far
> as I can tell both sides are purposefully talking past the issues raised
> by the other side. In my opinion the behaviour of both sides has become
> rather childish so I would like to second Jean's suggestion to take this
> off the list.
>
> Motion denied. I succumbed to Daniel's rudeness for about two years and
allowed myself to be stopped from discussing issues in the name of peace. It
very apparently only strengthened Daniel's belief that he was winning
arguments with me by engaging in unprincipled argument.  He just kept
escalating. Some months ago, I informed Daniel and everyone else on the list
that I was through gagging myself because of his incessant ad hominem
attacks. I am not going to be chased off the Fellowship's open discussion
list by him, by Jean, by you, or by anyone else. Daniel is old enough to
experience the consequences of his misbehavior and needs no one else to
protect him. I drew my line in the sand and I'm still standing right behind
it.

I am perfectly willing to engage in and in fact much prefer principled
discussion. Moreover, I have never had any hesitation to concede error when
I am guilty of it. Daniel doesn't approach discussions with me that way and
I have no reservation about truthfully labeling his misconduct. Daniel is a
troll.

If you want to play peacemaker, that's your right. But preaching at me is
not going to work. You might have better luck with those who started this
particular fight by accusing me of telling falsehoods, once again without
ever identifying the supposed falsehood. They threw the first punch, my post
they responded to stands unrebutted, and I am standing my ground. If it's
all too much for you, I suggest that you stop reading this thread.

So flame away, Daniel and Max, if that's your desire. I can take it.

BUCK "MARBUX" MARTIN
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