[odf-discuss] Fwd: W3C Lead on CDF says OpenDocument
Fellowship Position on CDF Makes No Sense
Carlos Moffat
carlos.lst at eldiabloenlosdetalles.net
Sat Nov 10 16:08:21 EST 2007
Hi,
Given that the 'post' was meant as a private email, I think it's better
if we don't start a discussions with it as a starting point. I think the
Fellowship's position regarding the Foundation recent statements is
pretty clear, so I don't think there's any need to go into yet another
discussion with Gary (unless he chooses to do so).
Cheers,
Carlos
On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 21:58 +0100, Daniel wrote:
> I understand that what was intended as a private email cannot be
> considered a flame. It's an easy mistake. That said, and regarding the
> contents of the post, I find it difficult to give the benefit of doubt
> to an organization that has used the name "OpenDocument Foundation" to
> spread so much anti-ODF propaganda and provided Microsoft with anti-ODF
> arguments:
>
> * http://opendocument.foundation.googlepages.com/GOSCON_Chart.pdf
> * http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dghfk5w9_66ds7m5z
> * Numerous blogs.
>
> Daniel.
>
>
> Ryan Singer wrote:
> > I've just found out that gary meant to send this as a person reply to
> > me, and forgot to check the headers to see I had CC'd the fellowship.
> >
> > Obviously, what Gary intended to write as a private communication to
> > an old friend, in this time when he is getting all of this stressful
> > negative press, is not fit for public or list consumption.
> >
> > Gary asked me to apologize about this and to say that it was not his
> > intention to flame this list. Gary and his team are currently
> > undergoing a very rough time and trying to reposition themselves for
> > the future. Please, lets give the benefit of the doubt to sombody who
> > has done so much work on our behalf.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Singer
> > Co-founder
> > OpenDocument Fellowship
> > 1-650-743-2785
> >
> > On Nov 9, 2007 11:50 PM, Gary Edwards <gary.edwards at da-vinci.us> wrote:
> >> Hi Ryan,
> >>
> >> Chris Lilley's comments are in direct opposition to those we received a week
> >> ago from Doug Shepers, the head of the CDF Workgroup. doug however asked
> >> that we not publicise his comments until Sir Timothy has had a chance to
> >> weigh in. Our CDF support is solid. Even within Sun and IBM!!!! They've
> >> been arguing for years that CDF is the way to go. Today IBM admitted to us
> >> that ODF is a transitional fiel format only. They know that CDF is the
> >> future, and have spent enormous resources positioning WebSphere, Lotus
> >> Notes, and the Eclipse Community in that direction. ODF is a transitional
> >> desktop play only.
> >>
> >> The ODF mob has gone nuts trying to shut off the exits. The worst thing
> >> they could have ever done is attack CDF. Watch. IBM admits that they lit
> >> the fire, and now they can't control the tmob. The plan was to discredit us
> >> personally. Now that CDF is under attack by the mob, IBM CALLED US, asking
> >> for help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was a two plus
> >> hour phone conference this afternoon. I kid you not.
> >>
> >> But hey, thanks for staying on top of this :)
> >> ~ge~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 9, 2007 9:08 AM, Ryan Singer <ryan.singer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Forwarded conversation
> >>> Subject: W3C Lead on CDF says OpenDocument Fellowship Position on CDF
> >> Makes No Sense
> >>> ------------------------
> >>>
> >>> From: <Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com>
> >>> Date: Nov 9, 2007 8:21 AM
> >>> To: Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Earlier in the week, many technology reporters were wrestling with what to
> >>> make of the OpenDocument Foundation's announcement that it was abandoning
> >>> support for ODF in favor of CDF, a W3C specification-in-process that few
> >>> had ever heard of, and no one seemed to know much about. Those that did
> >>> examine CDF were left puzzled trying to figure out how it could possibly
> >>> function as an alternative to ODF.
> >>>
> >>> To find out the facts, I interviewed Chris Lilley, the W3C lead for the
> >> CDF
> >>> project, and his answer couldn't have been more clear: "The one thing I'd
> >>> really want your readers to know is that CDF was not created to be, and
> >>> isn't suitable for use as, an office format." In fact, it isn't even an
> >>> format at all - although it has been matched for export purposes with
> >>> another W3C specification, called WICD - but WICD is a non-editable format
> >>> intended for viewing only. Moreover, no one from the Foundation has
> >> joined
> >>> W3C, nor explained to W3C what the Foundation's founders have in mind.
> >>>
> >>> It is highly unfortunate that the founders of a tax exempt organization
> >>> that solicited donations, "To support the community of volunteers in
> >>> promoting, improving and providing user assistance for ODF and software
> >>> designed to operate on data in this format," should publicly announce that
> >>> it believes that ODF will fail. By endorsing a standard that has no
> >>> rational relationship to office formats at all, they can only serve to
> >>> confuse the marketplace and undermine the efforts of the global community
> >>> they claimed to serve.
> >>>
> >>> Further details are here:
> >>>
> >> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20071109070012244
> >>> As always, please let me know if you would like to be removed from this
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> >>>
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> >>> ----------
> >>> From: Ryan Singer <ryan.singer at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:01 AM
> >>> To: Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew,
> >>>
> >>> OpenDocument Fellowship != OpenDocument Foundation. The Fellowship
> >>> does not agree with the new direction the foundation has taken. Your
> >>> subject line mentions the fellowship, while the rest of your email is
> >>> about the foundation. Please send out a correction.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ryan Singer
> >>> Co-founder
> >>> OpenDocument Fellowship
> >>> 650-743-2785
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> _________________
> >>> Ryan Singer
> >>> ----------
> >>> From: <Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com>
> >>> Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:02 AM
> >>> To: Ryan.Singer at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My sincere apologies - I'll change it immediately.
> >>>
> >>> Andy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Ryan Singer"
> >>> < ryan.singer at gmai
> >>> l.com> To
> >>> Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com
> >>> 11/09/2007 11:57 cc
> >>> AM
> >>> Subject
> >>> Re: W3C Lead on CDF says
> >>> Please respond to OpenDocument Fellowship Position on
> >>> Ryan.Singer at gmail CDF Makes No Sense
> >>> .com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> _________________
> >>> Ryan Singer
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary Edwards
> >> da Vinci Corp
> >> Redwood City, CA USA 94063
> >> (650) 365-0899
> >> (650) 888-2268 c.
> >> gary.edwards at da-Vinci.us
> >> http://da-Vinci.us
> >> http://OpenStack.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
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