[odf-discuss] Fwd: W3C Lead on CDF says OpenDocument Fellowship
Position on CDF Makes No Sense
Daniel
daniel.carrera at zmsl.com
Sat Nov 10 14:17:01 EST 2007
Gary,
References to an "ODF mob" don't seem appropriate here. That seems
rather much like flaming which is against our code of conduct:
http://opendocumentfellowship.com/about_us/code_of_conduct
In addition, I'm not sure you should be saying things like "IBM admits
that ODF is a transitional format" without supporting it with something
more substantial than "they phoned me". That might be considered
slander, which is not acceptable behaviour on this list.
It does seem strange that an organization called "OpenDocument
Foundation" be making statements like yours.
Daniel.
Gary Edwards wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> Chris Lilley's comments are in direct opposition to those we received a week
> ago from Doug Shepers, the head of the CDF Workgroup. doug however asked
> that we not publicise his comments until Sir Timothy has had a chance to
> weigh in. Our CDF support is solid. Even within Sun and IBM!!!! They've
> been arguing for years that CDF is the way to go. Today IBM admitted to us
> that ODF is a transitional fiel format only. They know that CDF is the
> future, and have spent enormous resources positioning WebSphere, Lotus
> Notes, and the Eclipse Community in that direction. ODF is a transitional
> desktop play only.
>
> The ODF mob has gone nuts trying to shut off the exits. The worst thing
> they could have ever done is attack CDF. Watch. IBM admits that they lit
> the fire, and now they can't control the tmob. The plan was to discredit us
> personally. Now that CDF is under attack by the mob, IBM CALLED US, asking
> for help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was a two plus
> hour phone conference this afternoon. I kid you not.
>
> But hey, thanks for staying on top of this :)
> ~ge~
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2007 9:08 AM, Ryan Singer <ryan.singer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Forwarded conversation
>> Subject: W3C Lead on CDF says OpenDocument Fellowship Position on CDF
>> Makes No Sense
>> ------------------------
>>
>> From: ** <Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com>
>> Date: Nov 9, 2007 8:21 AM
>> To: Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Earlier in the week, many technology reporters were wrestling with what to
>> make of the OpenDocument Foundation's announcement that it was abandoning
>> support for ODF in favor of CDF, a W3C specification-in-process that few
>> had ever heard of, and no one seemed to know much about. Those that did
>> examine CDF were left puzzled trying to figure out how it could possibly
>> function as an alternative to ODF.
>>
>> To find out the facts, I interviewed Chris Lilley, the W3C lead for the
>> CDF
>> project, and his answer couldn't have been more clear: "The one thing I'd
>> really want your readers to know is that CDF was not created to be, and
>> isn't suitable for use as, an office format." In fact, it isn't even an
>> format at all - although it has been matched for export purposes with
>> another W3C specification, called WICD - but WICD is a non-editable format
>>
>> intended for viewing only. Moreover, no one from the Foundation has
>> joined
>> W3C, nor explained to W3C what the Foundation's founders have in mind.
>>
>> It is highly unfortunate that the founders of a tax exempt organization
>> that solicited donations, "To support the community of volunteers in
>> promoting, improving and providing user assistance for ODF and software
>> designed to operate on data in this format," should publicly announce that
>>
>> it believes that ODF will fail. By endorsing a standard that has no
>> rational relationship to office formats at all, they can only serve to
>> confuse the marketplace and undermine the efforts of the global community
>> they claimed to serve.
>>
>> Further details are here:
>> http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20071109070012244
>>
>>
>> As always, please let me know if you would like to be removed from this
>> list.
>>
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>> From: *Ryan Singer* <ryan.singer at gmail.com>
>> Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:01 AM
>> To: Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com
>>
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> OpenDocument Fellowship != OpenDocument Foundation. The Fellowship
>> does not agree with the new direction the foundation has taken. Your
>> subject line mentions the fellowship, while the rest of your email is
>> about the foundation. Please send out a correction.
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Singer
>> Co-founder
>> OpenDocument Fellowship
>> 650-743-2785
>> --
>> _________________
>> Ryan Singer
>> ----------
>> From: ** <Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com>
>> Date: Nov 9, 2007 9:02 AM
>> To: Ryan.Singer at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> My sincere apologies - I'll change it immediately.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ryan Singer"
>> < ryan.singer at gmai
>> l.com> To
>> Andrew.Updegrove at gesmer.com
>> 11/09/2007 11:57 cc
>> AM
>> Subject
>> Re: W3C Lead on CDF says
>> Please respond to OpenDocument Fellowship Position on
>> Ryan.Singer at gmail CDF Makes No Sense
>> .com
>>
>>
>>
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