[odf-discuss] Apache2 and ODF (was: 16x16 mime type icons)
Daniel Carrera
daniel.carrera at zmsl.com
Thu Nov 16 10:07:30 EST 2006
I don't know either. Feel free to update the pages any way you like.
On Thu, 2006-16-11 at 15:43 +0100, Pete Harlow wrote:
> I'm still not sure where this leaves you if you want to combine the
> ODF Monogram(tm) with, say, the background from KDE Crystal (as in
> http://www.catnip.co.uk/opendocument/graphics/kdeodf64x64.png) as,
> despite what we have said here, the Crystal Theme is under the LGPL
> http://www.kde-artists.org/node/122
>
> Any way, I'll do my page when I have FTP access. Do we want to add
> this info to the fellowship wiki pages? I can do this tomorrow if you
> like.
>
> -P.
>
> On 16/11/06, Daniel Carrera <daniel.carrera at zmsl.com> wrote:
> IANAL - Yes, I think so.
>
> On Thu, 2006-16-11 at 15:14 +0100, Pete Harlow wrote:
> > So I should really state that the icons are Trade Marks
> rather than
> > Copyright... which I presume I can state with no further
> action as
> > they are not *registered* trade marks?
> >
> > -P.
> >
> > On 16/11/06, Daniel Carrera <daniel.carrera at zmsl.com> wrote:
> > Thomas, I'm sorry, but you are confused. You are
> going on and
> > on about
> > copyright licenses and copyright licenses have
> nothing to do
> > with icons.
> > Yes, we know this for sure, yes we did talk to a
> lawyer. The
> > Software
> > Freedom Law Centre said that for icons copyright law
> is
> > completely
> > irrelevant, and we should be looking at trademark
> law. No
> > point in
> > talking about GPL, LGPL, BSD or Creative Commons,
> that's all
> > copyright
> > stuff. The SFLC said they couldn't represent us, but
> suggested
> > we get
> > legal advice and get a trademark license. Yes, they
> did
> > suggest getting
> > a trademark license. They just said to make it
> permissive.
> > That's what
> > we have today. We also asked Ubuntu (as an example
> of a
> > GNU/Linux
> > distro) if the license we picked was acceptable to
> them, and
> > they said
> > it was, and that they would be willing to use the
> icon using
> > that
> > trademark license.
> >
> > Daniel.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2006-16-11 at 14:45 +0100, Thomas Zander
> wrote:
> > > I think you are confusing two points here.
> > >
> > > * The bsd-original license meant that in
> documentation or
> > other places where
> > > the end product was shipped the name of the
> author(s) was to
> > be placed. This
> > > is indeed a no-go as you saw.
> > >
> > > * The point that CC makes is that the author of
> the work
> > needs to be
> > > registered very much like the author of a piece
> of
> > sourcecode adds his name
> > > to the header of the file.
> > > This is required by copyright law. If there is no
> named
> > copyright holder you
> > > can't copy the copyrighted content. As well as a
> license, if
> > there is no
> > > license, you can't copy the work.
> > >
> > > If you read the actual license[1] you will see
> that (4 a and
> > b) will require
> > > anyone to a) point out the actual license the
> files are
> > under and b) the
> > > name/email of the author.
> > >
> > > This is (legally) different from what you have on
> your page
> > now and IMO not a
> > > problem at all.
> > >
> > > 1) http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/
> > >
> > > On Thursday 16 November 2006 14:05, Pete Harlow
> wrote:
> > > > Thomas,
> > > >
> > > > It was *having* attribution that was the
> problem. The deed
> > says "*
> > > > Attribution*. You must attribute the work in the
> manner
> > specified by the
> > > > author or licensor." and I suppose it is
> possible to say
> > "No attribution
> > > > required". But I am told many projects shy away
> from
> > contributions under
> > > > the CC licence because of 'attribution creep',
> the
> > requirement to keep and
> > > > manage huge lists of contributors.
> > > >
> > > > On 16/11/06, Thomas Zander <zander at kde.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 16 November 2006 13:29, Pete
> Harlow wrote:
> > > > > > IIRC the problem with the CC licence was the
> one of
> > attribution, and
> > > > >
> > > > > with
> > > > >
> > > > > > the FSF licences obviously one of using the
> work in
> > commercial
> > > > > > packages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you try the wizard I linked to?
> > > > > It allows for attribution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I think its a smart thing to ask for
> if your
> > first goal is to
> > > > > have a
> > > > > big uptake.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Thomas Zander
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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